IAI Steering Panel Meeting Summary for November 2012


To Facilitate Interinstitutional Transfer
Illinois Board of Higher Education
431, East Adams, Second Floor
Springfield, IL 62701-1418
tel: 217/557-7356
fax: 217/782-8548
Illinois Community College Board
401, East Capitol Avenue
Springfield, IL 62701-1711
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fax: 217/785-0090
Minutes for IAI Steering Panel Meeting
ISU Alumni Center, Room 118, Normal, IL Friday, November 16, 2012
Members present: : Lois Backas(Roosevelt University), Lois Bishop(DePaul University), Lori Cinotte(Illinois Valley Community College), Polly Hoover(Wilbur Wright College (CCC)), Krista Jackson(iTransfer System), Adam Julian(iTransfer System), Janice Leuchtenberg(iTransfer System), Heidi Leuszler(Parkland College), Emanuel Pollack(University of Illinois at Chicago), Rashid Robinson(Illinois Board of Higher Education), Lily Siu(Richland Community College), Mary Wright(Southern Illinois University Carbondale)
Members present virtually:

No members

Members Absent: Steve Bennett(Western Illinois University), Anne Birberick(Northern Illinois University), Dan Cullen(Illinois Board of Higher Education), Jeff Cutchin(Olney Central College (IECC)), Sean Doyle(Moraine Valley Community College), Brian Durham(Illinois Community College Board), Kris Harding(Illinois State University), Mary Herrington-Perry(Eastern Illinois University), Thedford Jackson(Highland Community College), Steve Kifowit(Prairie State College), Carl Lorenz(Parkland College), Marilyn Marshall(University of Illinois), John Miller(Western Illinois University), Sally Parry(Illinois State University)


Guest:  Kathy Van Ormer for Marilyn Murphy Marshall


  1.  Welcome and Introductions


  1. Updates from GECC Co-Chairs and the Transfer Coordinators Committee
    1. Krista Jackson – GECC Humanities and Fine Arts
      1. Panel had 47 courses to review
      2. Some weren’t accepted – syllabi didn’t match descriptor or Instructor & Master Syllabi didn’t match each other
      3. Prereqs came up – some not appropriate.  Don’t belong on GECC courses.
      4. 5 Yr. Review will continue as before.


  1. Mary Wright – GECC Mathematics
    1. Panel chose to do a phone conference instead of a face-to-face meeting.  Worked well.
    2. Many courses didn’t fit the descriptor, so were returned.
    3. Many syllabi don’t match each other or descriptor.
    4. Perennial issues with descriptors, always trying to clarify details
    5. For GenEd Math, there are set in stone prereqs.  There is now a new trend to accept courses that incorporate prereq material as part of content.


  1. Lori Cinotte – GECC Communication Panel
    1. Panel had few courses to approve, but approved most.
    2. Panel approved the first fully online speech course.
      1. Syllabus will be posted as Representative Syllabus.
      2. More courses being developed
    3. Gap Analysis of Common Core portion of meeting facilitated by AIR.org, IBHE & ICCB.


  1. Lily Siu – GECC Social & Behavioral Sciences
    1. Attendance highly improved this session.  Voting was better, but still needs more work.
    2. Still building panel – need disciplines represented.
    3. Panel approved a lot of courses
    4. Panel hoping to make requirements clearer – reviewing descriptors
    5. Master & Instructor syllabi often don’t match.
    6. 25-30 courses will be called for 5 yr Review – some from each discipline.
    7. Discussion of prereqs – some may not be good at this point.


  1. Heidi Leuszler – GECC Physical and Life Sciences
    1. New course descriptor for Energy course being considered.
    2. Course from Parkland – close to 100% simulated lab – had been returned, now approved.  It was determined that it is not the Panel’s purview to approve or disapprove delivery mode.  Leaving that up to institutions to decide.


  1. Thedford Jackson & Kris Harding - Transfer Coordinators – neither in attendance today.  Lois Bishop reported for them.
    1. Reports from boards, IAI, a couple of presentations on Reverse Transfer
      1. Transcript Study – why students are transferring before earning Associates Degree
      2. DePaul did a study with Oakton – how many students with 30 or more hours transferred had earned Associates Degree but never applied for it.
        1. Factors – Oakton only transferred IAI courses.  Also, DePaul has no requirement for a Speech course, so students could meet the requirements for a Bachelor’s Degree without earning their Associates.
        2. Students don’t see the value of Associates Degree
        3. Suggestion to maybe have the Curriculum Common Core group come to TC meeting so they understand that GECC is a package not course-to-course


  1. ICCB, IBHE, and IAI/iTransfer Updates
    1. IBHE & ICCB – Both being represented by Rashid Robinson
      1. There have been a lot of staffing changes at both boards. Until all are filled, not much else to report currently.
    2. IAI/iTransfer – Krista Jackson
      1. For Representative Syllabi, we used an easily approved course one, but that may not be the best one.  Krista has been asking panels to review and find one they want to be posted.
      2. Most panels have met – all GECC panels have met.
      3. Panels are making sure documents on website is correct/current, since 5 year review didn’t happen in the spring.
      4. We have a new programmer – Adam Julian – who has been dealing with issues on the website, answering questions, etc.  All of our contact information is on the site.
      5. We’ve made improvements to the site
      6. Currently institutions don’t see comments panel members make when reviewing courses before the vote is made at the meeting.
        1. Some comments would be inappropriate for institutions to see, but some are very good.
          1. Should institutions see them?
          2. We can make the voting checklist show for them.
          3. It wouldn’t necessarily be good to show the comments, so we won’t.
      7. Adam wants to find time to develop a voting app for iPad.
        1. Submitting documents doesn’t work currently, and users are warned that this won’t work when they go to Course Review on an iPad.
      8. In recent years a number of states have expressed interest in using IAI as a pattern for their state.
        1. Texas – Legislator was an Oakton student who transferred to Columbia using IAI, which worked very well for him.
      9. 240 courses were received for review for Fall, 133 of which were new.  All have been decided except around 40.
        1. Around 80 Accepted
        2. Around 30 Conditionally Approved
        3. Around 65 Returned
        4. Around 20 Not Enough Information
      10. Accepted = no further action needed
      11. Conditionally Approved = course is close to acceptance, needs a bit of tweaking, can be looked at right away when ready by co-chairs.  Doesn’t need to wait for full panel review.
      12. Not Enough Information = Panel needs more information submitted before a decision can be made.  Needs full panel review, so won’t be looked at until the next voting season.
      13. Returned = Course needs a lot of work before it can be reviewed again, by the full panel.


  1. New Business
    1. Orientation Information – we are trying to make this better.
      1. Checklist – make the items links to the appropriate place
      2. PowerPoint presentation – use Camtasia for voice-over
      3. We now have a YouTube channel
    2. Some institutions are developing courses in Communication departments, want GenEd credit.
      1. Can IAI do this appropriately? Is it an actual IAI course?
      2. Students coming in to 4 yr schools are generally expected to already have this knowledge
      3. Krista will convey to City Colleges of Chicago the discussion on the course including the GenEd statement from the Physical & Life Sciences criteria.


  1. Old Business
    1. Policies & Procedures Manual update
      1. Brian Durham has many changes he wants to make.  He is hoping for a Spring presentation of the document to this panel.


  1.  Continued Discussion Items
    1. 5 Year Review Purpose Updates
      1. We can now request up to 2 years of courses by semester
        1. The courses won’t be reviewed until the semester they are requested for
        2. Panels need a plan for this
      2. There is a need to recall information as requested in the past
        1. We will have this ability shortly, but only back through 2011.


  1.  Other Business
    1. From TJ – how should major codes be displayed in catalogs?  Science people want to know.
      1. In the past they were to be removed.
      2. Conversation will be taken to Boards by Rashid for the appropriate decision, but it seems to be a “moving target” as catalogs change often, as well as recommendations from panels.
    2. From Heidi – there is an issue with courses from IECC – one master syllabus that covers 4 institutions.  The panel keeps returning the course, and IECC keeps resubmitting.  Solution?
      1. This is not a GenEd course, despite their tweaking at the course.
      2. Should we continue to return, tell them not to resubmit, send a letter?
        1. What would the panel like to do?
          1. Panel doesn’t want to see it if it’s the same.
          2. A panel has never said we won’t look at a course, and can’t pull the rug out from under students.
        2. Krista suggests put in their decision that “as of _______ date, the IAI code will be pulled from the course unless substantial SIGNIFICANT changes are made”.
        3. This option needs to be available to all panels, needs to be addressed in the Policies & Procedures manual.
          1. Can also address courses called for review, but never submitted.


  1.  Scheduling of Next Meetings:
    1. Spring 2013 – Thursday, April 25, 2013
    2. Fall 2013 – Thursday, November 21, 2013


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